Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast, a podcast all about leadership, change,

and personal growth, the goal to help you lead like never before in your church or in your

business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 422 of the podcast.

It's Carrie here and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

Well, there is only one guest in the history of this podcast that has two of the five most

downloaded episodes and we're 422 episodes in and that is today's guest Gordon McDonald.

And the way he resonates with leaders of every age, particularly with younger leaders is amazing.

And you're going to hear more from Gordon.

I'll explain in just a moment.

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Well, Gordon and I are going to talk about the damage that driven leaders create hitting the wall

in leadership and how to get healthy and he wrote a book well in the 80s.

I remember reading it when I was like a young leader and I think it was in law school actually

when I read the book and it's called ordering your private world and I reread it last summer.

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