Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your

host Carrie Newhaw.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 347 of the

podcast my name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead

like never before my guest today is near AL and if you don't know near AL I promise you he's already changed your life and you're going to figure out why

If you have anything to do with technology which you do because you're listening to a podcast well

Nere's got something to do with that and I've been a longing to bring you this interview for a long time

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So just go to digital discipleshipbook.com. Anyway, man, I'm so

excited to bring you near AL. So you ever notice your phone's a little bit

addictive? Uh-huh. And you wonder why? Why can't you stop the

scroll? Why are you on Instagram? Why are you on Snapchat? Why are you on

Tik-talk? Why are you on, you know, so often? Well, Nerelle a number of years ago wrote a book called Hooked and it took Silicon Valley by

storm and in the book Hooked Neer explains the principles that companies and

leaders can use to quote hook people on

forming good habits now he says hey these are supposed to be good habits now in his

most recent book which we talk about as well indestract, he looks at how to break the addiction with technology

because it's impacting so many of us.

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