Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your

host Carrie Newhoff.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 348 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

I'm so excited to have Patrick Lenchioni back.

He's, I think this is the third time on the podcast,

one of my favorite guests, and one of my favorite people

in large measure because he shaped my thinking so much

over the last few decades through so many books. I think he sold over six

million copies of his business books and we're back to talk. Well, pandemic

and remote teams and also his latest book, motive if you want a motive check as a leader

actually this is a bit of a dangerous episode so yeah he's pretty convicting

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to 33222 so Pat's back last time he was on, I think in late 2019, we actually did the interview

in person at his office at the table group in the Bay Area in San Francisco.

And Pat talks about burning out and that's actually what I'm going to talk about in what

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