Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 334 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

Today's episode is brought to you by Belay and by Janaris. They've got some things that are going to help you through this crisis,

and also by my new free course called How to Lead Through Crisis.

I'm so glad you're joining us, you're going to love the guest today. If you don't know him, get ready because you're going to enjoy it.

And if you do, I know a lot of you follow Mark Sayers. And he is one of the favorite voices that I have discovered in the last 12 months.

We tell the story at the beginning of the interview of how I met him last year in London,

England in May, hadn't really accessed his stuff, and it led to the biggest non-conversation that could have been.

Anyway, we tried to make up for it today, so this one goes long and deep and Mark is one of the most profound thinkers I think alive today.

He is an amazing cultural commentator has a broad understanding of history and also what's happening in the world.

A very global perspective as well.

And so we talk about the current pandemic, the conditions that

it led into it, how it threatens the secular salvation schema that he and John Mark Comer talk about and

What's gonna change in the future in the church what the new normal might look like it's absolutely

fascinating and as we start thinking about what will happen post-pandemic well I think you're

going to want a notebook. Also, remember, we do offer transcripts,

so there are transcripts at the show notes and we also have show notes. So if you want to go back and

study this one, which I suspect you might.

Well, we can help with that.

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