Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your

host Carrie Newhoff.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 321 of the podcast my name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before today's episode is brought to you by Pro Media Fire and Belay and we got a brand new segment called what I'm thinking about and

actually what I'll do is I'll offer a few more thoughts on what Brad Lamanick and

I talk about at the end of today's interview.

I'm going to talk about the middle disappearing from culture.

So that's what I'm thinking about these days.

I think it's fascinating.

And we got this little segment now at the end of the show.

My guest today are Chris Hodges and Brad Lomenick.

Chris is the founder of Church in the Highlands in Alabama.

They have 22 locations and an average attendance

of 55 to 65,000 people a weekend.

Yeah, insane.

And he tells the story of how he got the vision

for Church of the Highlands and also

about some difficult passages in his life and burning out and what that was like and getting

depressed and then launching a church and also about what's changing in the culture and this is the annual rethink

roundtable episode that I do we get together every year in Atlanta we'll tell you

more about that to do rethink leadership and Chris Hodges is going to be there along with Simon

Sinac and Brad Lomnick and myself and Gordon McDonald and many others so

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