Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your host

Carrie Newhaw. Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 299 of the podcast my name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope

our time together today will help you lead like never before we are quickly

approaching 300 isn't that amazing and I am so thrilled to have Pat Len Chioni back on the

podcast. So I flew to San Francisco for this to visit Pat in his offices. It was the first

time I've ever been there. Met his team, I've met his team on the

road at different points and of course Pat, but to be able to hang out with him for the better part of an

afternoon and capture what I think is one of my favorite

interviews. This one has been great. So we're sitting literally around the

table at the table group and Pat has influenced my leadership for over a decade

decade and a half I started reading his books when he first started writing and my goodness

we're 10 minutes into this interview and Pat starts talking about a crash he had

11 years ago and I'm like wait a minute wait a minute I don't think I knew about that and so we went there and I think you're

gonna love this interview you know because myth is, here's the myth guys.

Everybody thinks it's so easy for everyone else and it's so hard for me, and that's just not true.

Most leaders who are very successful have come through some incredibly

difficult times and Pat opens up about that. Plus we also talk about the motive of

leadership I walk through the temptations of a CEO one of his first

books if not the first book and Pat Lenchioni as you probably know is a widely

recognized leadership and business expert.

He has sold over six million books and we'll talk about this in the interview,

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