Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your host

Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 228 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope her time together today

helps you lead like never before.

Well, I'm very excited that, well, for two reasons today.

Number one, that we're doing more than just four episodes a month

for the most part these days.

And number two, that today's Thursday release

features, well, a regular guest now on the podcast and just an amazing

leader and fantastic person and friend Craig Grishell and when Craig's Hope in the

dark released we touch base and I said I would just love to talk to you about how to process like pain and grief and loss.

And man, we go all over the place in this interview. I don't know how many of you have

read Sam Chan's book but at the very beginning of leadership pain Craig tells a

story just about some like kind of self-inflicted wounds that happened

early in his leadership. I think we all have our share of those and it's a powerful, powerful

segment of the interview and then we jump into his latest book Hope in the Dark which is just an amazing

resource and we talk about the content how to process grief with your congregation

How do you set expectations properly? with your

congregation, and so much more.

So I think you're gonna love it.

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