Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your

host Carrie Newhaw.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 177 of the podcast. I hope our time together today

helps you lead like never before. My name is Carrie Newhoff and I don't know what

you're doing today but I think you're going to love the conversation. You know, my favorite conversations, almost all, I mean,

I love getting my brain taxed.

I love learning new things.

I love talking about the future.

I love talking about what's next,'s different but I think the reason I'm

still doing this at my age and stage 23 years into my leadership journey in

ministry is because of conversations like this one and we got a couple of them coming up in the next few weeks.

I've got Scott Saul's on the podcast again soon and you know this conversation isn't so much about what you do as a leader

it's about who you are and I get the opportunity to hang out with Eric Geiger and

with Todd Atkins once again and this is kind of fun because they do an awesome

podcast called 5LQ. So if you're a regular listener of their podcast, you subscribe to it.

This episode is on their podcast like this conversation and it's on

mine. We thought we'd do a mash-up just for fun and this one is on the lies

leaders believe. This is about the stuff that kind of sinks you and me when we're not paying attention.

This is like the, uh, how did I end up here kind of conversation?

So I think you're really going to love this and Eric and Todd just are great. And we get pretty transparent pretty fast so different kind of conversation and then next week

Scott Salz and I talk about unhealthy ambition

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