Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your host

Carrie Newhoff. Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 163 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

Well, you ever sit down and just have a conversation with someone and feel like you've been friends for about a hundred years now

I've been following Erwin-McManus probably literally since the 90s he's been a thought

leader author church leader the whole deal. But when I sat down with him to have a conversation,

I thought about his book, but really it just ranged all about his life, about his recent cancer

diagnosis.

Man, it was just one of those connections that was so rich.

And if you're like me, you're probably

going to listen back to this conversation more than once

because it is just loaded with insight and he says some things about

the culture about a prophetic voice about fear about life about leadership and and just a perspective on life that's so refreshing.

I think you're gonna love this episode.

So my conversation is with Erwin-McManus and man I'm just really excited about bringing this one to you.

Hey, I got a couple of things I want to share with you.

First of all, thank you for all the feedback and questions on the new course that released

a little while ago called Breaking 200 without Breaking You.

I had a lot of you, like hundreds of you ask, so like we're not at 200, is this course for me?

So I just thought, well let's talk about that for a second and this principle applies

whether you you take the course by the course or not but you know it's really

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