Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your

host Carrie Newhoff.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 128 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today

helps you lead like never before.

Well, you're going to love today's guest.

If you're a regular listener, long-time listener,

you have heard him before on the podcast, his name is Mark Badderson.

And Mark is one of my absolute favorite people.

And it's a good thing we know each other because I think I did this interview like last summer and for whatever reason it got lost.

I don't know what happened. We just lost track of it. I knew I did it, but it didn't air and then we found it in like this this dusty archive and we have blown it off and it is still

amazing so so thank you Mark for your patience and you know one of the reasons I'm so excited to bring you Mark today is one of the

questions I get you know when I meet leaders it's like okay so what is like so

and so really like and you know the good news is generally speaking people people are amazing but

Mark Badderson honestly is one of my favorite people in the world I mean when you

meet Mark you think I think he's a pretty nice guy and then you actually meet him and you realize

like he's like 10 times nicer deep integrity extremely hospitable and an incredible

leader and great writer I mean New York Times best-selling author his books

have literally sold millions of copies and Mark is somebody who just his heart is I don't know I didn't know him 20 years ago, but you know, probably as alive or more alive than it was when he started in ministry.

And that's great.

So Mark and Laura are fantastic people and they've got a great church and a great team at

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