Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before.

In your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 60 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff,

and I hope our time together helps you lead

like never before.

And I kind of think it will,

because we are gonna talk to one of my favorite people.

Her name is Sue Miller. So many of you know her and if you know her you love her and she is one of the most positive people I think I've ever met like I've known Sue for years now and she's just relentlessly positive and so

great that way and I think that's one of the reasons she was so amazing and

and still is when she works with volunteers.

And Sue is going to open up a vault of wisdom

that has accumulated over a few decades now

in leading some of the largest volunteers

in some of the most complex organizations in the country.

She served for years as the director of Children's Ministry at Willow Creek Community Church

in Chicago, Illinois, and led literally hundreds, probably

actually thousands of volunteers in their children's ministry.

And she sort of spills the secret sauce something else she did in her

brand new book that she co-authored with Adam Duckworth called Not Normal and it is

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