Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before.

In your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 58 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

And I kind of think it will because we got a great guest. Her name is Beth Marshall and she's going to help us think

through an issue that I'm convinced is one of the primary reasons 80 to 90 percent

of all churches never make it past 200 in attendance. And the reason is we don't know how to

scale pastoral care. And Beth is the former director of care for New Spring Church.

So New Spring Church has like a lot of people,

like over 30,000 people attend there every weekend,

and she had to be the leader in their crazy days when they were growing like crazy and

they had to figure out how to scale pastoral care and I just I'm just so

passionate about this issue because I think you know I started in very small churches as some of you

know the very smallest church I ever served had six people in it that was 20 years

ago in 1995 when I was a student and I came up to where I currently am and

started there.

I mean with six people, come on, you're doing the pastoral care.

But then once your church starts to grow and now we've got like over a thousand in attendance

and 2,300 people who call our church home, you just cannot be the person who does

pastoral care.

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