from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington broadcast center

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. The Armstrong and Getty show.

Hello there from A Vilnius lovely morning here in Lithuanian. We should note there are Ukrainian flags everywhere in this city.

A city that's completely turned out in show solidarity with the war effort, the resistance against Russia, of course here in a former Soviet state in the Baltics.

One and I'm standing in George W. Bush Plaza named after the former president because he gave a speech here in 2002 in which he urged Lithuania to be admitted to NATO and NATO transformed then and is done so again now.

So when he make goes on to make the point that he is about three miles from the Belarusian border, like a hundred miles from Russia right next to Ukraine.

All the world leaders there are within striking distance of a war.

I guess that's not a concern.

Apparently not that would absolutely usher us into World War III. Sure.

Sure, but it was seen as a big deal when various leaders were going to Kiev. I was surprised they're all gathered right there in the corner.

So many things to discuss with Mike Lyons who served the United States military in a variety of capacities in a variety of places now respected military analysts for CNN among others. Mike, how are you sir?

Hey morning guys, great to be back with you.

Been following your Twitter feed and we know your neck of the woods has been affected by the horrendous rainfalls in the northeast. How's everybody doing?

Yeah, West Point underwater on the town outside. Highland falls. The same roads are out. Actually, I can't get up there right now. There's no way 9W the main artery into the academy is shut down both from the north side and the south side.

The town so it's it's pretty devastating. Hopefully the Army Corps of Engineers is moving quickly to try to restore services there out of the building I work in is uninhabitable right now. It was flooded in the floor.

So you got mold you all kinds of things are going to happen. So yeah, once in a thousand years storm they're saying it was.

Yeah, speaking of powerful forces mother nature is unmatched. Let's talk about the situation Ukraine. We talked a little bit about your opinion on cluster munitions yesterday. We know you're in favor of Ukraine using them. Why?

Yeah, first of all, let's let's set the law of land warfare dictate that should be the litmus test for this right. I mean the legality of the situation number one.

It's a military necessity right now. Ukraine is trying to do a counteroffensive without air superiority, which is foolhardy on some ways to begin with. And you can even say it's not even a counteroffensive. It's just trying to figure out some probing operations. Anyway, the bottom line is they're running out of ammunition. So they need more ammunition.

We've knew this eight months ago that eventually would run out of ammunition because we can't resupply them at the pace that they're using it. We don't have enough material on our side and we don't have enough reserves.

And that was that was the known known that they were going to run out of ammo. So that's number one is an necessity to use these rounds. Number two, proportionality they are proportional in that Russia's used them already. They've used them on civilian targets. They've used them on things they shouldn't be.

But this is not going to be a game changer. It's not going to allow them a tremendous advantage. And they're going to use them in a way on the third thing, civilian or military targets only. There's going to be a distinction between combatants and non-combatants.

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