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Can I please have your attention?

TELL you again

Greetings dear listeners, I am not Jonah Goldberg. I'm Clon Kitchin and I have climbed into Jonah's

seat. He stepped out to get a sandwich and I jumped in his seat. I locked the door and so I'm

going to drive the the remnant podcast today. So pay no mind to any screaming or loud knocks that

you may hear. Everything's fine. We're just going to try to do some alternative programming. No,

seriously, Jonah's away and so he was kind of to ask me to fill in and as soon as I realized I

had that opportunity, I immediately thought that I wanted to have a conversation with my good friend

Luke coffee. Luke is just a brilliant guy. He really understands the issue of Ukraine and

European national security and foreign policy and we had a great conversation that I think you'll

really enjoy. So thanks for joining us and I hope this is helpful. Luke, thanks so much for taking

the time to join us. It's a real pleasure to have this conversation with you. Yeah, it's great

to be here. Thanks for having me on, Clon. Yeah, so real quick, just you know, it doesn't have to

be very long. Would love to know like who are you and why do we care what you think? Well, that's

actually a very good question. No, I am Luke coffee, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. I focus on

central and eastern Europe, the Caucasus, the Black Sea, Caspian Sea, Central Asia regions.

I've devoted almost two decades of my life to these transatlantic security issues,

both in the think tank community, but also practical government, legislative and executive

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