How do you transform and innovate as your company grows and matures, even as the underlying technology platform shift beneath you?

And what does this look like when you're a private company versus a public one?

In this episode from October 2021, Michael Dell, founder and

CEO of Dell Technology and one of the longest standing founder CEOs in

tech, joins A16Z general partner, Martine Casado, A16Z co-founder Mark Andresen, and

host Donald Choxi, on the occasion of Michael's book, Play Nice But When, a CEO's

Journey from founder to leader.

They debate the impacts of the Cloud Wars,

how innovation happens when a company is private

and when it's public, something Michael knows well,

having taken Dell public to private

to back to public again,

whether you can actually play nice to win as a leader and more.

Hi everyone, welcome to the A6 and Z podcast.

I'm Sonol and today we have yet another of our special book launch episodes on the upcoming new book titled

Play Nice to Win a CEO's Journey from founder to Leader the book is by Michael Dell

founder and CEO of one of the world's largest tech companies,

Dell Technologies. And while his book interweaves the journey of starting, transforming, and keeping one's

company, we focus primarily on the How to Keep and how to transform in this episode.

We also discuss the challenges of being public while trying to innovate beyond the behind

the scenes stories with activists investors and we debate the underlying tech platform shifts from the

death of the PC to the current Cloud Wars.

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