"closure"
13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast
Ana Szabo, Nick Adams, Amy Nichols and Lacey Gee
4.6 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 4 November 2025
⏱️ 28 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
It’s the end of Evermore era (almost!) — and what better way to celebrate it than with the breakdown of closure. In this episode, Nick, Ana, and Amy dive deep into the meaning of "closure" from Evermore, exploring its chaotic intro, sharp lyricism, and what the song reveals about saying goodbye — even when you don’t need to. From theories about who the song might be directed toward (Scott Borchetta? Scooter Braun? A former friend?) to how Taylor transforms sarcasm into strength, this breakdown covers it all.
Plus, hear theories on why Closure isn’t actually the final song on Evermore — and what that says about Taylor’s storytelling.
Join us next time for the unofficial end to evermore… before we get into the deluxe tracks.
And up next… It’s time to delve into The Life of a Showgirl!
This is a paid advertisement from BetterHelp Give online therapy a try at https://www.BETTERHELP.COM/TAYLORSWIFTFAN and get on your way to being your best self.
Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast
Join the conversation in our exclusive
Lobster Lounge: station.page/13
Contact the Podcast
Voicemail: (689) 214-1313
Email: the13podcast@gmail.com
Instagram: @the13podcast
TikTok: @the13podcast
Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast
YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast
Follow the Hosts
Ana – @anaszabo13
Lacey – @laceygee13
Nick – @heynickadams
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | This podcast episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching |
| 0:05.7 | insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy. Just drop in some |
| 0:11.6 | details about yourself and see if you're eligible to save money when you bundle your home and auto |
| 0:16.5 | policies. The process only takes minutes and it could mean hundreds more in your pocket. |
| 0:21.9 | Visit progressive.com after this episode to see if you could save. |
| 0:26.2 | Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates. |
| 0:29.0 | Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states. |
| 0:33.3 | Yay, media group. |
| 0:36.9 | 13 has been my lucky number for a while. |
| 0:39.3 | Like, it's always a sign of good things to come for me. |
| 0:42.0 | This is 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast, breaking down every song, every Easter egg, every era, and every theory. |
| 0:52.2 | Hosted by the biggest Swifties, Nick Adams, Anna Zabo, Amy Nichols, |
| 0:58.4 | and Lacey G. |
| 1:00.5 | Welcome to 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast. |
| 1:03.3 | My name's Nick Adams. |
| 1:04.1 | I'm Anna, Amy. |
| 1:05.3 | And Lacey G is not with us today. |
| 1:07.5 | Miss you, Lacey. |
| 1:08.2 | Is she also on a cruise or is that just specifically for Amy? |
| 1:11.2 | I don't know. Y'all tell me Lacey. Is she also on a cruise or is that just specifically for Amy? I don't know. |
| 1:11.6 | I don't know. |
| 1:11.9 | Y'all tell me. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Ana Szabo, Nick Adams, Amy Nichols and Lacey Gee, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Ana Szabo, Nick Adams, Amy Nichols and Lacey Gee and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.