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Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast. What would markets really say life have looked like if you went to therapy? If you got help, what would comedists's life have looked like if you could have done that?

Stoicism, as we've said before, isn't about suppressing, stuffing the emotions down. It's about processing, dealing with them, coming to terms with them. So I hope it doesn't surprise you to learn someone like me has gone to therapy. We did a great Daily Stoic video about this recently on the YouTube channel, which you should check out about mental wealth and mental health.

But it might be unexpected that one of the forms of therapy that I have spent quite a bit of time in is called emotionally focused therapy, because again, that seems like somehow antithetical to stosism. But it isn't as today's guest and I explore.

I'm having Sue Johnson on, she's actually the founder of emotionally focused therapy, one of the most interesting forms of therapy out there, I think it's particularly popular with couples. And her book, Hold Me Tight, was a life changing book for me. I can't recommend it enough.

I can't recommend it enough, I can't recommend it enough. One of the few relationships books that we carry in the painted porch, so I'll link to that in the show. Seriously, I cannot recommend it enough. Great book. And her new book Love Sense is also about exploring long lasting relationships, which as I talk about in the lives of the Stoic is actually a really important breakthrough in the Stoic tradition.

The Stoic is sort of coming to terms with the idea that no man is an island that the city, the state, the world depends on people coming together, having children forming long lasting bonds, not just with themselves, but with their own parents, family member, extended family, et cetera.

And so I'm really excited to bring you this episode, this conversation with the one and only Sue Johnson. You can follow her on Twitter at doctor underscore Sue Johnson on Facebook, Facebook.com slash doctor Sue Johnson. But I think the best place to start with Dr. Johnson is with her book, Hold Me Tight.

You can grab that in today's show notes. It's a wonderful book and I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation. Hello. Hello.

Are you guys here me? Yeah. I can hear you. That is amazing. We made it work. Well, I have a feeling that if Sinec had had to deal with technology,

he would have written a different philosophy because it, you know, when he said you can't deal with external events, that's true. And you also I can't deal with the internal events around this stuff. I'm nice to meet you.

It's great to meet you to zoom test all of us and our stoicism.

Yes, I think so. And I cannot do this stuff.

So we're here. You are doing it. So so I appreciate it. Yeah. And I want to actually I want to thank you because I had to learn Latin in school. I was educated by Catholic nuns. But we only studied tacitus, not Sineca.

Oh.

And as a result of knowing I was going to talk to you, I went and looked up some of the things from Sineca and I really liked liked a lot. And I felt like it.

I could just see all kinds of connections with our work in the hobby tight groups and things and the book we do for the public and also in our in our therapy work with emotionally focused therapy.

Well, I do think there's a lot of connections and I personally gone to EFT. So I benefited from it quite a bit myself.

Thank you.

I'm so glad.

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