Hello, I'm Lale Arakoglu, and welcome to another episode of women who travel.

Today, I'm talking to two outdoors people about their relationship with nature, physical challenges, and their search for adventure.

They're women who climb and tackle ascents that were long the preserve of men.

Jen Piedom is an Australian film director

who makes documentaries about mountaineering.

And relatively early on in her career,

she chose to make a film about Mount Everest.

I was the only woman.

There were very few women climbing on Everest expeditions at that point.

Maybe there would be one in an expedition of 20 or 30 people, I think, on that first one.

I was the only woman.

And Sasha de Julien, a professional rock climber who went from winning indoor competitions

all over the world to going on treacherous outdoor climbs that even require her to camp

out on cliff faces.

And full disclosure, she's also engaged to my good friend.

Something that motivates me as a professional climber is going after these kind of like benchmark

achievements within my sport and seeing if I could be the first human or the first woman to

accomplish something that is physically very challenging. I love visiting new countries.

My career at this point has taken me to over 50 different countries around the world.

And I love learning about just like new places to visit through the expeditions that take me there.

But first, how Jen Piedem stumbled into adventure filmmaking.

I grew up in Canberra in Australia, so the capital, it's a sort of relatively small town,

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