Climate Migration: Confronting the Reality of Global Warming (Gaia Vince)
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 919 Ratings
🗓️ 9 October 2025
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
As extreme weather forces people from their homes, the journalist and author Gaia Vince makes the positive case for immigration.
Projections show that billions of people will be displaced by 2050 due to the effects of global warming, a phenomenon she has reported on in her book ‘Nomad Century: How to Survive the Climate Upheaval’.
She argues that if governments plan for the mass movement of people they can reap the economic rewards of immigration despite public concern about the issue.
And with news that renewable energy overtook coal as the world's leading source of electricity in the first half of 2025, Gaia tells Amol why she thinks we’re approaching a “tipping point” which will see the end of our reliance on fossil fuels and green energy become the dominant source of power.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
| 0:05.6 | Hello, it's Amol here. |
| 0:07.5 | Welcome back to Radical. |
| 0:09.7 | These are conversations about the deep global trends changing our world |
| 0:13.6 | and offering you some pretty radical ideas to win the future. |
| 0:17.8 | In this episode, we tackled two huge and intersecting forces, climate change |
| 0:23.6 | and mass migration. Climate change is real. It is caused by humans and it is already leading |
| 0:30.3 | to the mass movement of people. Those are the facts. There is abundant, in fact, growing evidence |
| 0:35.7 | to support those facts. So if you don't like |
| 0:37.7 | them, I'm afraid, your problem is with the facts rather than with me. They ought not to be |
| 0:42.2 | hugely contentious. But an area which is hugely contentious is, of course, the politics of migration. |
| 0:48.7 | In fact, this is just about the most contentious issue facing many Western democracies. |
| 0:57.4 | And our guest today is a journalist and author, |
| 1:02.1 | author of a book called Nomad Century and other books, in fact, who thinks that climate migration is already reshaping our world and who has a pretty radical take on all of this, which is that |
| 1:07.3 | we need to get used to the idea of mass migration, celebrate it and make it |
| 1:11.7 | work because it's not going away. She is Gaya Vince, and I think you're going to enjoy |
| 1:16.6 | this pretty radical conversation. Gaya, how are you? |
| 1:34.3 | You could drink your tea. |
| 1:35.7 | Sorry. |
| 1:36.3 | You could drink your tea. |
| 1:37.0 | A really inopportune moment. |
| 1:38.4 | I literally picked up a cup to take a really ungainly slurp. |
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