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Now our Health and Climate Tuesday section of the show, which we do every week,

Climate Edition today.

This is a follow-up to our segment last week with Orrin Cass,

founder of the Think Tank American Compass, an author of the new book, The New Conservatives,

and he's an economics leader on the populist right who very much has the ear of the Trump

administration. We're going to replay some of what he said specifically about the

economics of climate change and get

a response with another point of view from a guest who is an economics leader in the climate

change prevention movement. It's Paula DiPerna, among other things, currently chair of the board of the

group Humanity Insured U.S., which she says works with the wider insurance industry to design affordable,

innovative insurance products to help buffer financial risks faced by vulnerable communities

worldwide from unpredictable weather extremes.

She has previously done many other related things, including seven years as president of the

Chicago Climate Exchange,

which worked to establish a market-based price for carbon emissions and facilitate investment

in new energy technologies. Paula DiPerna was last on the shelf for her 2023 book,

pricing the priceless, the financial transformation to value the planet, solve the climate

crisis, and protect our most precious assets. Paula, thanks for coming on for this. Welcome

back to WNYC. Thank you, Brian. Always a pleasure to be with you. I'll start by replaying our first

or in cast clip. He does acknowledge that climate change is a serious

threat, but argues basically the most policies designed to fight it are worse than the problem

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