Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. All right, I think it's clear at this

point that if we're going to deal with climate change, we've got to think bigger than canvas

tote bags and composting. In his new book, Climate Capitalism, Bloomberg News reporter

Akshat Rati argues that capitalistic market forces can push forward some of these bigger picture

solutions to deal with climate change, but the market can't do it alone.

In this interview with here and now, Scott Tong, Rati talks about one instance in which

he and his family tried to get solar panels installed in his home in India, but there was an

issue that is kind of indicative of why climate

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It is now cheaper to save the world than destroy it. That is a slogan, a rallying cry that animates entrepreneurs and investors who think capitalism can help solve the climate crisis.

Now, time out, you might say, some of the richest companies built their fortunes on mining coal, pumping fossil fuels to burn in cars and make electricity. So what gives?

What is this question of climate capitalism? Well, let's put that question to our next guest.

Akshet Rati is a senior climate reporter for Bloomberg News, and he's got a new book out. It's called

Climate Capitalism, Winning the Race to Zero Emissions and solving the crisis of our age.

Akshet Rati, welcome to here and now.

Hey, nice to be here.

So I want to get to this skeptics question first, that a lot of climate activists, and let's be honest, a lot of our listeners in public radio, might say, climate capitalism is an oxymoron, that the market

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