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Hey there, it's Guy Kawasaki. I am the host of the Remarkable People podcast. You're about to

listen to a special addition to our podcast. It is an interview between Bob Safian. He is the host of the Rapid Response podcast and Cliff

Oberg. Cliff is one of the co-founders of Canva. Now, Canva is a company that I work for as chief

evangelists. Our mantra is to democratize design. I think it's fair to say that we have pulled that off. So I want you to listen

to this episode to learn the history of Canva. There are a lot of very good lessons for anybody

interested in tech and design and entrepreneurship. The story is about perseverance and

grit and innovation and empathy.

This is a special addition to the Remarkable People podcast. Here is Bob Safian and Cliff Obrick.

Thank you for listening.

The conversations I'm having here go something like this. Hey, CXO, do you know much about Canva?

And they're like, yeah, I know a little bit. Like my daughter uses it, etc. And we're like,

do you know you have 6,000 active users who have created over 500,000 designs this year alone?

And then they go, hey, what? They do what? And is that all on brand?

Who's controlling that? Does our chief brand officer know about this, et cetera, et cetera? And the answer is

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