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Stuff can have effects on your spirit, effects on your emotional health, and living in this cluttered place really started to get to me.

And the stuff was part of it, my overstuffed schedule was part of it, but I began to feel like I almost couldn't breathe because my life had too much in it.

That's Courtney Ellis and she was our guest last time on Focus on the Family. She's here again and she'll be sharing from her heart about her journey from anxiety and too much stuff in the schedule, too much stuff in the house to a space where God could really meet her.

Thanks for joining us today for Focus on the Family, your host is Focus President and author Jim Dayley and I'm John Foley.

John I so appreciated Courtney's vulnerability last time, just talking about things that she and her husband Darryl have changed to actually make more space for God.

And that's a good thing and everybody resonates with the idea of unclutter, right, the title of the book.

How do I make more space in my life by getting rid of stuff I'd never use or rarely used to my schedule, to even technology we talked about last time and we're going to continue to have this discussion.

There's so many good elements in this book and I make fun of some of the decluttering books, but they're good for us and I am a clutter free guy.

I throw everything away to my demise, even phone numbers that Jean is trying to keep. I mean, I like, wow, everything's out of here.

And I have to learn to dial down, but I love the subject because it is a spiritual truth that the Lord put boundaries around his activity.

I think you can make a case that keeping a clutter free environment is a way to have God Shalom in your life piece.

So if you're feeling stressed, which I think is probably going to be everybody, this is going to be for you.

And it's much more than just stuff in our rooms. It's it's a lot more than that.

And Courtney Ellis, as I said, is here again. She's a wonderful speaker, writer, podcaster.

And Jim, you mentioned the book already. It's called Uncluttered Free Your Space, Free Your Schedule, Free Your Soul.

And we'll encourage you to get a copy of that book from us here. Our number is 800-A Family, or check the show notes for details.

At John before Courtney jumps in here, I want to just read a scripture. I think that lays the framework for us today, Matthew 6, which says this,

do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal,

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