I'm Alan Alder and this is Clear and Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

We're bringing you now a little preview of what's coming up in our next season and there

is some wonderful people we're talking to on Clear and Vivid.

I especially loved our conversation with Walter Isaacson Graham.

He has written yet another amazing book.

He specializes in creative geniuses ranging from Leonardo da Vinci to Steve Jobs.

And now Jennifer Daudner, who we've actually had on the pod about a year ago when she won

the Cavalry Prize for her co-discovery of CRISPR.

Walter Isaacson must be half a genius himself.

I don't know how you can write about all these people who have opened the doors to the

universe for us in different ways.

And he gets it and communicates it to us so that we can get it with a sense of excitement,

not just understanding, but to really be tuned into it and want to know more.

He's an extraordinary biographer.

And as you point out, he's a great storyteller and you talk about that in the podcast.

And the new book is no exception to that.

It's called The Code Breaker.

And it centers on Jennifer Daudner.

And let's play a clip from the beginning of your talk with him.

There's a scene in my book that I find was so powerful when I heard about it from Jennifer

Daudner.

After she invented this technology of using CRISPR to edit our genes, she has a nightmare.

...