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recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

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Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about what to do if you're a static, kitschy, happy hour bar in the East Village, super late at night and a guy claims to be Bachelor Clayton Eckerd.

Yes, we have some belated advice for the woman at the center of this week's biggest Bachelor gossip firestorm. I mean, oh my goodness, this story, the receipts alone are insane.

But firstly, if a guy tries to pick you up by saying he was the Bachelor, just simply run.

Like, if he wants you to know it, that's not a good sign. First off, plus we're talking about our most buttoned up and our most unbuttoned dating reality shows of the moment, the courtship and temptation island will be discussing episode four of both those shows today to recap.

We're joined by Claire Parker and Ashley Hamilton of the hilarious celebrity memoir book club podcast. But first, let's get to gossip and we're going to we're going to take that on solo because who a lot happened over the weekend.

Yeah, we needed to keep this as simple as possible because the details are a lot. So basically what happened is that Clayton was accused of cheating on Susie Friday night by a tick tocker.

His name is Sasha. We're not going to give her full name or handle. You can find it, but she's probably been experiencing a lot of harassment and dog piling right now for reasons that will become clear and we don't want to fuel that in any way.

Basically, what happened is yeah, Sasha made a tick tock in which she claimed that she was at a bar, specifically the penny far thing in New York City, which is truly my favorite part of the story because that bar is disgusting.

She was there on Friday night, late at night, and a man came up to her and said, do you watch the bachelor and she said, no, not really. And he claimed to be a man you might you might have heard of called Clayton Eckerd.

And he was apparently being like, I have tea here's all these things about the show. She didn't think anything of it. She doesn't watch. She went home with him. They did what they did.

And then she googled him after she left and discovered that he was in a relationship. She seemed confused about whether he was like married, engaged in a relationship. So clearly her googling didn't like take her into the specifics or she didn't get.

She didn't get granular with her research. She was like, I ended a marriage tonight. And it's like, no, they're not married. She's like, he's engaged.

Yeah. So she she claimed that she had DM's Susie to let her know what had happened, but she was like, I don't think she probably checks all her DMs. So I just wanted to make this tick tock to reach her.

And the story just was a little bit not that I think initially already before there was any response. A lot of people were not that impressed by the story. Like there wasn't really much proof.

She showed a screenshot of an Uber that he called for her, but like a screenshot of an Uber being called proves nothing like his name wasn't on it. He doesn't live at the addressing question. So like, why would that prove anything except that someone called an Uber.

And so the video was really sort of frenetic and gleeful. Like it took on that tone that a lot of the kind of rye tick tock. I'm going to call someone out videos take. And so as a whole, it already didn't seem that convincing.

And so in the original video, she didn't name who the person was. But obviously people quickly started speculating there's only a handful of bachelor's who are with their final pick Clayton Matt James. I think a bunch of people had started speculating that it might be Matt in the comments and Rachel Kurgin out like shut that down really quick and just started commenting no, no, no, no, no.

Every single and every single comment, the work that the girlfriends have to do to clean up after these rumors. I know these poor women are just like out here having to do all of this messy social media labor. They're just like trying to have a relationship.

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