Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Bucks Xton Show Podcast.

Welcome in our number three the 15th hour of the week Clay Travis Bucks Xton Show here

want to remind you guys we will be in at Mara Lago on Tuesday of next week both Buck and I

will be doing the show Monday and Tuesday from South Florida. Should be a good time there cannot

wait to sit with 45 himself Donald Trump will join us at the open on Tuesday make sure that you

go and download the podcast and are ready to roll for purposes of that. We bring in now she wrote a

fantastic op ed piece she is Hannah E Myers director of policing and public safety at the Manhattan

Institute and she recently wrote an op ed in the New York Times that said these policies were

supposed to help black people their back firing it is up right now at clayinbuck.com you can also

go read that at the New York Times Hannah appreciate you taking the time to join us here

it's a fascinating piece and it's one that is hardly being analyzed at all what are the impacts

as you found them and saw them of the black lives matter movement and what has happened in their

wake. Thank you Clay and this is more broad than black lives matter but certainly a lot of overlap

with what their policy goals were. We look at criminal justice reforms over the past few years and

we're here in New York so we focus on our 2019 statewide bill reform and discovery reform. We look

at the less is more act that past just this last September that has fewer parole violators in jail

and also we look at policies since around 2016 in New York City that have gradually and intentionally

decrease the number of people held in jail on a variety of crimes and what we find is these reforms

were put in place very explicitly to improve black lives to reduce the amount of interaction between

black New Yorkers and the criminal justice system and what we find is looking at the data any

which way you see that these policies have actually contributed to making black black lives much

harder and actually increasing the amount of interaction between black and the criminal justice

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