Clay Shirky on tech and the internet in China

Sinica Podcast

Kaiser Kuo

Culture, China News, Hangzhou, Chinese, International Relations, Chongqing, Beijing, Sichuan, Currentaffairs, China, Politics, Chengdu, Shanghai, Guangzhou, China Economy, News, China Politics, Business, Film, Shenzhen

4.8 • 676 Ratings

🗓️ 4 August 2016

⏱️ 67 minutes

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In this episode of Sinica, Clay Shirky, the author of Here Comes Everybody who has written about the internet and its effects on society since the 1990s, joins Kaiser and Jeremy to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of China's tech industry and the extraordinary advances the nation has made in the online world. The hour-long conversation delves into the details and big-picture phenomena driving the globe's largest internet market, and includes an analysis of Xiaomi's innovation, the struggles that successful Chinese companies face when taking their brands abroad and the nation's robust ecommerce offerings. Clay has written numerous books, including Little Rice: Smartphones, Xiaomi, and the Chinese Dream in addition to the aforementioned Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations. He is also a Shanghai-based associate professor with New York University's Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute and the school's Interactive Telecommunications Program. Please take a listen and send feedback to sinica@supchina.com, or leave a review on iTunes. Recommendations: Jeremy: Among the Ten Thousand Things by Julia Pierpont, and Modern China is So Crazy It Needs a New Literary Genre by Ning Ken Clay: Internet Literature in China by Michel Hockx Kaiser: A Billion Voices: China’s Search for a Common Language by David Moser See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Cynica podcast, a week of discussion of current affairs in China, produced in partnership with SubChina.
0:14.9	SubChina offers a feast of business, political, and culture news about a nation that is reshaping the world.
0:20.4	We're coming to you this week
0:21.3	from the campus of NYU in Manhattan. I'm Kaiser Gaw. joined as usual by that robust, scalable,
0:26.7	bio-based platform solution provider, Jeremy Goldcorn. How are you, Jeremy? I'm doing very well,
0:31.0	Kyva. It's great to be back in New York, isn't it? It is indeed. I made that introduction
0:35.6	by way of segue into introducing our guest.
0:38.7	We're joined today by one of a small handful of commentators on things technological,
0:43.9	who I don't find excruciatingly douchey and annoying.
0:47.0	That's Clay Shirky.
0:48.4	Clay is the author of Here Comes Everybody, among many other works,
0:51.5	and is deservedly one of the best-known thinkers on the impact of the Internet and emerging technologies on society. Since 2013, he has been based
0:59.5	at New York University's Shanghai campus, and while he's back here in New York this summer,
1:03.7	he's signed on for another tour of duty. Clay Shirky, welcome to Cinnica. Thanks very much,
1:09.0	guys. It's great to be here. So this isn't
1:10.8	actually your first time sitting down with us, right? I mean, it was like a year or so ago,
1:14.5	you were in our old house in Beijing, but you only had observer status for that time.
1:18.6	Right. Wanted to see how it was done. Like I said, you signed down for another tour of
1:22.5	duty in Shanghai, that NYU on there. Yep. Is China getting under your skin? Yeah, you know, as it does.
1:28.6	I think any American who goes to China with their eyes open sees that it's an industrialized
1:35.8	and in Shanghai's case, in many ways, post-industrialized society that just runs on very
1:41.2	different principles.
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