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The Lawfare Podcast

Claudia Swain on Cybersecurity and Trains

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🗓️ 27 October 2022

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Claudia Swain is Lawfare’s digital strategist—but before coming to Lawfare, she worked at the Federal Railroad Administration, deep in the bureaucracy. She recently wrote an article for Lawfare called, “The Emerging Cyber Threat to the American Rail Industry,” which is a bit of a chilling read about the threat that the American rail industry faces as a result of, of all things, new computerized safety systems. 

Benjamin Wittes sat down with Claudia for a fascinating conversation about Positive Train Control, this new computerized system, and the potential cybersecurity threats it poses. 

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Also, check out LawFair's other podcast offerings,

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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

0:29.0

We're not just talking about the in-products of farms.

0:37.0

We're talking about before as well, because rail, of course, moves coal and fertilizer,

0:43.0

and the parts that we were talking about before.

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So it's not just that they'll be unable to move the in-product,

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but also those products may not be able to be created.

0:52.0

So you're definitely looking at them at a much larger problem.

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And again, the Association of American Railroads in responding to this possible railroad strike,

1:01.0

estimated that the US economy would lose over $2 billion per day in the event of a nationwide shutdown.

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I'm Benjamin Wittis, and this is the LawFair podcast, October 27, 2022.

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You probably know Claudius Wayne as the social media voice of LawFair,

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where she has worked for a couple years as our social media manager.

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But Claudia, before she came to LawFair, worked at the Federal Railroad Administration,

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deep in the bureaucracy.

1:34.0

She knows a lot about trains, and she recently wrote an article for LawFair called

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the Emerging Cyber Threat to the American Rail Industry.

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It's a bit of a chilling read.

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