Claude, War, and the State of the Republic (with Dean Ball)

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🗓️ 27 April 2026

⏱️ 77 minutes

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The Department of War wanted to deploy Anthropic's Claude for "all lawful use." What begins as a policy dispute between a tech company and the Department of War quietly unfolds into something far more unsettling. Listen as Dean Ball and EconTalk's Russ Roberts trace the collision between Anthropic and the federal government over Claude's use in classified military operations, exploring thorny questions about autonomous weapons, domestic mass surveillance, and whether a private company can demand contractual red lines when it comes to national security. The conversation spirals outward through the erosion of constitutional norms, the decay of institutional trust, the blurred line between public and private power, and the frightening possibility that AI's most powerful capabilities may arrive just as the Republic is least equipped to govern it.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Econ Talk, Conversations for the Curious, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty.
0:07.9	I'm your host, Russ Roberts, of Sholem College in Jerusalem and Stanford University's Hoover Institution.
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0:36.7	Today is March 12th, 2026, and my guest is Dean Ball.
0:41.7	Dean is a senior fellow at the Foundation for American Innovation, a policy fellow at Fatham,
0:47.4	an author of the AI-focused newsletter Hyperdimensional, which you can find on Substack.
0:52.4	He works on technological change, institutional evolution,
0:55.7	and the future governance. And prior to this, he served as senior policy advisor for AI,
1:01.6	for artificial intelligence and emerging technology at the White House Office of Science
1:06.8	and Technology Policy, where he was the primary staff drafter of America's AI Action Plan.
1:13.3	Dean, welcome to Econ Talk.
1:15.1	Thank you so much for having me, Russ.
1:17.1	Our topic for today is the relationship between private companies working on AI, like Anthropic,
1:23.5	which created the LLM, the large language model known as Claude, and the Department of War.
1:31.3	In particular, we're going to talk about the recent clash between the two over what will govern or constrain
1:36.7	Claude used by the military, which created, whether you want to call it a brouhaha, a dust-up, or a very serious constitutional issue about the interaction
1:46.7	between private entities and the federal government. And that's what we're going to talk about
1:52.6	today. Our conversation is based on a superb article you wrote on your substact hyperdimensional,
1:58.3	which we will link to. That article was simply called Claude,
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