Hey guys and welcome to the Moms and Murder podcast, a true crime podcast featuring myself, Mandy, and my dear friend Melissa.

Hi, Melissa.

Hi, Mandy.

How are you?

I'm doing great.

How are you?

I'm doing good as well.

Do you think there will ever be a time when we do an intro or just talk to each other that we don't like immediately get nervous? As soon as we start and I'm like, oh no, she's going to ask me how I'm doing it. And I don't have any stories. I don't have anything to say. We don't want to do the weather. And it's been almost five years. And we still. It's still like makes my heart flutter when we start. I do. I still get nervous. I do. So weird. I know. I'm not afraid to admit I still get nervous. And I definitely still have like, I don't know, some kind of imposter syndrome where I'm like, I still don't want to tell people that I do a podcast because I'm like, no, they're just going to laugh at me and think it's silly. And I'm like, well,

really, I've been doing it for a long time. So it's kind of legitimate. I literally know when I run into my husband's like, do you put that on your paperwork like for the doctor or anything? I'm like, No, I don't know.

No one knows anything, which is just the same idea.

I'm like, I don't know really what to say after that.

So yeah, I'm the same way. So basically like, there's follow up questions that I don't want to answer. Oh, so many. There's always follow up questions. It's normally somebody else that says, oh, by the way, she has this. And then it'll always be introducing me to

somebody who's never heard of a podcast. So they're like, oh, what time are you on the radio?

I'm like, okay, this is going downhill really fast. Let's not do this. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm like,

same. Yeah, definitely same. All right. So we're going to get right into the episode this week because there's a lot to bite off and chew, if you will, with this story. So we're going to not waste any time. It is probably going to be a little bit of a longer story. So we'll just get right into it, Melissa. Sounds good. Yeah. So you guys have always heard Melissa and I joking about various things on the podcast,

and I have said a lot of times, things to the effect that I could very easily have no problem

moving to the forest and living among the animals.

Of course, in my fantasy land, I have already acquired all of the survival skills I would

ever need to survive any climate, any disaster, and any

attack. And I would be lying if I said the idea of going off the grid and becoming a modern-day

cave dweller didn't sound like a dream at times. Imagine how simple life would be if it were

actually feasible to live off the land. No going to work. There's no paying bills. I guess you

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