Classified, or Not Classified?

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🗓️ 27 March 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, and staff writer Shane Harris published more details from a Signal chat between President Donald Trump’s top advisers that included sensitive details about a military strike in Yemen. In screenshots published by The Atlantic, the defense secretary messaged information about strike targets and times of attack. Top Trump officials have denied both to reporters and in congressional hearings that the information in the chat was classified. Claudine Ebeid talks to Shane Harris, who covers national security, about how he would characterize the messages and what kind of reverberations to expect from this breach. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:35.6	I'm Claudina Bade in for Hana Rosen.
0:39.8	On Monday, the Atlantic reported that our editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, was added to a signal group chat. It was a thread with
0:44.8	senior Trump administration officials that included sensitive military information about an attack
0:50.5	on Houthi targets in Yemen. On the day of the attack, March 15th, defense secretary
0:56.0	Pete Hegeseth shared operational details two hours before the strikes. And Brian Hughes, the
1:02.7	spokesman for the National Security Council, confirmed the veracity of the Che. Earlier this week,
1:08.4	Jeff and Atlantic staff writer Shane Harris were on the show.
1:12.1	Since then, administration officials have roundly denied there was any classified information
1:17.0	in the thread, including in testimony before Congress.
1:20.6	Director Gabbert, you are the security executive and set access guidelines for classified information.
1:27.9	Did you contact the defense secretary or others
1:31.9	after this specific military planning was put out
1:35.6	and say, hey, we should be doing this in a skiff?
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