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Civics 101

Classified Documents

Civics 101

NHPR

Government, History, Society & Culture

4.22.6K Ratings

🗓️ 12 September 2023

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

The government classifies millions of documents every year - secrets that can only be seen by certain people, and under certain conditions. Who decides what is secret, and what isn't? How well is the classification system working? And can a president declassify any secret, at any time, just by thinking it?  We talk with Margaret Kwoka, law professor at Ohio State University, where she focuses on laws around government documents and access to government information. And if you want to learn more, check out our episode about security clearance.  CLICK HERE: Visit our website to see all of our episodes, donate to the podcast, sign up for our newsletter, get free educational materials, and more! To see Civics 101 in book form, check out A User's Guide to Democracy: How America Works by Hannah McCarthy and Nick Capodice, featuring illustrations by Tom Toro. Check out our other weekly NHPR podcast, Outside/In - we think you'll love it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Nick, have you ever heard of something called an Acoustic Kitty?

0:06.0

No. What is it?

0:09.0

In 1967, the CIA spent millions of dollars trying to train domestic cats to spy on the Soviet Union.

0:19.0

The outcome, quote,

0:21.0

our final examination of trained cats for redacted use in the redacted,

0:27.0

convinced us that the program would not lend itself in a practical sense to our highly specialized needs.

0:34.0

So in other words, cats make pretty bad spies.

0:37.0

Yeah, it turns out cats aren't great at following directions or taking care of surveillance equipment.

0:44.0

And by the way, this project was a secret until 2001.

0:49.0

Well, because it was so embarrassing?

0:51.0

No, I mean, you might think so, but it was actually because the project was classified.

0:57.0

In the top scientific and engineering facilities across the country, security regulations are keeping the most important of projects under the tightest of rats.

1:07.0

But whether we're talking about cats failing spy school or nuclear codes or the plans for D-Day,

1:14.0

these covert programs share something in common with most things in our bureaucracy, paperwork.

1:21.0

Except in this case, we are talking millions of pages of classified information that the government creates and manages every year.

1:31.0

America's national security state is a behemoth grown out of control.

1:36.0

By one estimate, the government classifies three documents every second.

1:40.0

Also, no, there are no unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.

1:45.0

But there are also unknown unknowns. The ones we don't know, we don't know.

1:50.0

This is Civics 101. I'm Hannah McCarthy.

1:52.0

I'm Nick Epidichet.

1:53.0

And today, we're talking about our government's classified information system.

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