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🗓️ 23 October 2025
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Protests against systemic injustice and police brutality are sweeping the United States and the world at large. In the US, protesting isn't just a tactic -- it is a right, explicitly described in the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Protests can be powerful tools to push for change, but other forces, from corporations to militias, intelligence agencies and more also seek to use the power of protest against itself. Listen in to learn more about the history -- and future -- of the agent provocateur.
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| 0:00.0 | Folks, welcome back to the show. |
| 0:01.8 | We're returning with a classic as we get reacquainted with life on the land. |
| 0:08.5 | And there was a moment in 2020, you'll recall, Matt, when we were very taken with the darker side of protest. |
| 0:19.8 | Oh, yes, there are a lot of protests happening around this time for a very good reason. |
| 0:25.5 | And there were a lot of allegations, specifically in the news here in the U.S., that those protests were turning violent very quickly because of a contingent, a group that I'm actually not even going to say right now |
| 0:39.1 | because I don't want to say it into a microphone. |
| 0:42.3 | Oh, wow. |
| 0:42.9 | Yeah. |
| 0:43.5 | And div. |
| 0:45.9 | Or black block protest tactics. |
| 0:49.5 | The idea here is something called the agent provocateur. |
| 0:54.5 | It's inherently conspiratorial. |
| 0:56.2 | We know it's existed in other parts of the world and other protests, in other activist movements throughout history. |
| 1:05.6 | But the concept is this. |
| 1:07.3 | Let's say you're a tyrant. |
| 1:09.7 | And you've got a ton of people in your local population |
| 1:13.3 | who are kind of mad at you. Like like seven million of them or something like on a Saturday? |
| 1:18.3 | Right, right, right. And they are smart enough to know that they want to do peaceful protests, |
| 1:23.9 | but you need a reason to crack down on these plebs. |
| 1:28.1 | Well, like with the National Guard? |
| 1:30.5 | What dare say? |
| 1:31.8 | Well, one of the things is that if you can't encounter the good old organic chaos that would |
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