Phila, conspiracy realist, are you a fan of so-called reality television?

What about you guys? Are you guys fans of it?

I like the Osbournes back when it was on.

And do cooking shows count as reality television?

I mean, technically...

Cooking competitions?

Yeah, I like that stuff, too.

I'm a sucker for...

I mean, is a documentary reality television or one of those shows where they just show you how a factory makes mass market cassidias?

I don't know.

I think we're talking about the manufacture drama kind of stuff like you were saying with the Osbournes or with the real housewives of at all.

Some of those cooking competitions do incorporate a lot of those tropes, like the confessional

rooms, the potentially manufactured rivalry between contestants used with cross-cutting

and creative editing.

I love the soundtracks, too.

Kea and Keel has a great sketch about that.

Oh, my goodness.

But then we've got stuff that is just the kind or gentler version of all these things,

like, for example, the Great British Baking Show and one that I'm personally in love with these days, culinary class wars. One of the best of these types of cooking competition shows I think I've ever seen. but we are talking more about the what was it been the term that uh we talked about with

that really cool guy on ridiculous history, about 90s trash culture, low culture.

Low culture.

We are talking about the advent of that kind of stuff as, you know, evidenced by things like the real world road rules that led to an absolute explosion of this kind of stuff.

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