You know, we talk about it occasionally on our show here, the kind of stuff we would be doing

if we weren't doing podcast.

Yeah, consulting about podcasts.

Yes, join our new podcast consultancy.

Which is actually kind of part of our job descriptions, which is weird.

Technically is, it do develop shows and it's not because we are some, you know, Moses's

on the mountaintop who know what, who know everything, it's because we've been around long enough that if there is a mistake, we have made that mistake.

Yeah, we're the idea guys, because we messed up a lot.

Pretty often yeah and and one of the one of the questions we got in correspondence several years ago was about consultancy, right? The idea of being a consultant,

it's a heck of a group term and it means, it can mean a lot of things.

I don't want to spoil this one at all.

This one, this episode unfolds.

I think we should just let it happen.

Last season, millions tuned into the betrayal podcast to hear a shocking story of deception.

I'm Andrea Gunning, and now we're sharing an all new story of betrayal.

Justin Rutherford.

Doctor, Father, Family,

It was the perfect cover to hide behind.

Detective Weaver said,

I'm sure you know why we're here.

I was like, what in the world is going on.

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