You're in the Paracast. You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

With Gene and Chris on the Paracast, we're dissecting what happened on last week's episode with geneva hagen and with richard

toronto who lives in california that's kind of interesting considering his name i always thought of him as being

canadian really i mean that's a stupid conclusion to reach. But that was about it. I've obviously

known him for a few years. But it's interesting here about Ray Palmer and the fact that he is probably

one of the unsung heroes, not just in the UFO field, because he kept the subject alive with

Fate magazine in his own publication,

but also in science fiction,

where he took amazing stories and totally changed the way they approach science fiction.

So instead of being just something that was the province,

of a small number of fans, it became a mass market product.

And you think the kind of science fiction that he promoted, as I said last week,

came to be in movies such as Forbidden Planet in the 50s, Star Trek in the 60s, Star Wars in the 70s.

But in the science fiction field, Ray Palmer is a pariah. Isn't that sad?

Yeah, it is sad. I think you're right. He is an unsung hero to some. And he's also, I think we can

vilify him a little bit for creating that downward momentum of the snowball going down the

hill in terms of how people perceive what were then called flying saucers and how that pop

culture sort of veneer has slowly been building on the snowballs as it goes down the hill.

So in one sense, Ray Palmer kind of set the whole misperceptions of the phenomenon in the

public's eye.

I think he set that momentum going.

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