The Physical Trace Fellow, with your host, Jane Steinberg and David Beadley.

The Physical Trace Fellow,

Ted Phillips, of the Center for Physical Trace Research.

It's joining us to talk about lots of new developments.

You know, what we're talking about here is a UFO leaving something on the ground, some evidence of its presence.

So those people like Magaha can't say it's all an illusion.

It's all because you're drunk or something.

They can't do that kind of stuff.

And that's why we have people like Ted, who has dedicated a large portion of his life to finding out what's going on.

Now, one of the cases that is occupy a lot of your... who has dedicated a large portion of his life to finding out what's going on.

Now, one of the cases that has occupied a lot of your attention, maybe we can start with a

background of it and then get into the current events so those who didn't hear the first

appearance of me on the show can get up to speed. Marley Woods, a lot of stuff you've done about

the Marley Woods activities.

Tell us what the background of this case is. Okay. The Marley Woods represents something very,

very new for me and that all those years I spent as a strictly nuts and bolts guy, believing that these objects were

constructed somewhere by someone and that they were indeed strictly physical and with mass

and so on.

And Marley Woods, I was called by the property owner one of the

property owners there in december of 1998 and uh asked to come down and investigate some events that

had just taken place and uh but very much on the no names, no location or anything like that.

And because these people obviously didn't want to be overran by excited folks wanting to

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