Classic: Do We Still Need Christianity? Douglas Murray vs N. T. Wright

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🗓️ 25 November 2025

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Revisiting another classic show from 2021, and asking has the ‘sea of faith’ ebbed for good, and what might replace it—new atheism, ‘woke’ moralism, or a rediscovery of Christianity’s story? Douglas Murray and N.T. Wright discuss identity, myth and meaning in a post-Christian West. Murray, an “uncomfortable agnostic,” values the Christian inheritance yet laments a church that echoes the culture rather than proclaiming forgiveness and hope. Wright argues that the Christian narrative—based in history and centred on Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection—uniquely grounds human dignity, justice and reconciliation, offering more than social activism or abstract ethics. Together they probe truth, myth, miracles, the pandemic’s disorientation, and whether we can still find a story to live by. Thoughtful and generous, this classic exchange invites believers and sceptics alike to reconsider the well from which our civilisation drinks. Consider subscribing to our podacst with N.T. Wright here For NT Wright For Douglas Murray: https://douglasmurray.net/ 👉 Support thought-provoking conversations and help keep the show going at www.premierunbelievable.com/geolink/donate💡 🎧 Never miss an episode! Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast a www.premier.plus/unbelievable 🎙️ 🔗 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes - absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 📢 Social Links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unbelievablefe Facebook: / https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Instagram: / https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: / https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable

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0:00.0	My dad died when I was nine years old and it broke something in me.
0:05.0	I spent lots of times homeless, causing even bigger rifts in the family.
0:10.0	I was out of control.
0:12.0	Green Pastures is a Christian charity providing homes and support for people facing homelessness across the UK.
0:20.0	As soon as I walked in that place,
0:21.6	I knew there was something different about it.
0:23.6	Through Green Pastures,
0:25.6	Andy found a home,
0:26.6	freedom from addiction,
0:28.6	and a new beginning in faith.
0:30.6	It's the best thing I've ever done.
0:31.6	It released me from that 23 years of addiction.
0:35.6	And now I'm senior support worker here at Green Pastures Derby.
0:39.3	Find out more at greenpastures.co.uk.
0:45.3	Hello and welcome to today's edition of the show, our third episode of the Big Conversation Season 3 recorded just recently.
0:53.3	We're talking about identity, myth and miracles
0:56.5	and asking, can we find a story to live by in a post-Christian world? We do live in a post-Christian culture,
1:09.5	and many secularists have welcomed the fading of the West Christian identity.
1:13.6	But the question is, what is it being replaced by? And how should we address what many believe is a growing meaning and identity crisis in the West?
1:23.5	We're going to be asking, can Christianity still make sense of the modern world? And to help us do that,
1:28.5	NT Wright is a senior research fellow at Wycliffe Hall at the University of Oxford. He's the former
1:33.9	bishop of Durham and the author of numerous books, including his latest broken signposts,
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