Laura LeVernier, we're taking our usual summer break, so until we're back on air,

we're showcasing a few programs from our back cat log.

As usual, the music's been shortened for right reasons.

This week's guest is the former footballer Jackie Charten.

He was cast away twice, first in 1972, and then in 1996 by Sue Lawley.

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My cast away this week is a footballer.

Even if you don't know much about football, you'll know about him.

He's one of its great names, the lad from a poor, northeast mining village

who followed his grandfather, uncles and brother into the game

and became one of the team that won England the World Cup in 1966.

For 21 years, he played for Leeds United, appearing for them more than 600 times

and winning 35 England caps.

When he stopped playing, he took up managing,

and for practically 10 years looked after the Republic of Ireland,

leading them into the World Cup twice and so becoming an Irish hero.

A tough blunt Jordy, he says of himself as a footballer,

the one thing I couldn't do was play,

but I was very good at stopping other people playing.

He is Jack Charten.

So your skill was not so much as a dynamic force then, Jack,

as a man who got in everybody else's way.

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