while he's doing that we're going to hang out for a few minutes wait for jay to show up and uh and then

we're going to join him with vegan gains uh richard uh that's his real name richard and isaac

who is ask yourself so um yeah uh it's going to be it's going to be really interesting we've got

hashtag eat meat make families versus hashtag be soy boys, stomp babies.

So that's, this is going to be an interesting conversation.

I'm really interested to see, I'm fascinated to see what they believe their ethical stances for veganism.

So both these guys are moral relativists and atheists.

So this is going to be, it'll be a fun conversation for sure.

I had to wear my Eat Meat, Make family shirt, just in honor of triggering fragile

vegans.

But yeah, we're here.

We run the vegan rescue sanctuary here on YouTube.

There are many other people running vegan rescue sanctuaries on the internet. So we definitely consider ours to be one of the most important vegan rescue sanctuaries because we just love helping those vegans out. We started our keto and carnivore collective for November, and it's been going pretty well so far.

It's the first week in that we've got quite a few ex-vegans there.

I mean, I can't tell you how many, I can't tell you how many of these ex-vegans come to us for coaching.

Come to us after they figure out that they've been duped by the vegan evangelical choir boys and leave their inane, self-refuting, childish ideology,

and get back to health.

So that's really fun.

Being able to work with so many ex-vegans, being able to run this, this vegan rescue

operation, it's been an honor.

So, you know, if you have any friends, any stray vegans that you know, you know, who

need to be adopted, you can definitely send them here.

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