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Exclusions apply, see site for details. Hello, this is Graham. Welcome to a classic big interview. This time we go back to season 1617. This is what I had to say about it back then.

Okay before part one with hits I already mentioned that we first got chatting when I was writing my Spain book a few years ago

What stood out to me was that Thomas provided brilliant first-hand insights into what it was like to face that all-conquering Spanish

team for Germany, 2008, when the adventure was just beginning.

He didn't just list memories. He'd obviously thought a great deal about the Spanish

players during the game and afterwards too. And indeed it struck me that although

the German players could have been mad at the way in which the Spaniards celebrated through

the mix zone, made it look as if they were triumphalist, not just triumphant.

It's had a different view about the people he met for Spain that day and he stopped me as a thinker.

We touch on that subject again.

We talk about his take on Das Rebut as Raffa Honigstein famously called it and

Klinsman inspired Revolution from 2006 which with the help of

Samar and German Bundesleager took their football back to the top of the world in

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