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Slows. Full terms at Mint Mobile.com. And Hello, this Graham. Welcome to a classic big interview. Today, join me. We're going back to

season 2015, 2016. This is what I had to say about it back then.

Terry Butcher was an ideal candidate for the big interview because ever since I've known him

and the first time we really got to know each other was in 1998 both in LaManga and

Casablanca as England prepared for the World Cup in France. I think he was a defender of much more skilled,

particularly in his passing, his left-footed passing, and people remember because he was

iconic for his belligerence, his captaincy, his I Will Not Be Def not be defeated persona when in fact he could really play.

Terry's also funny he's got an acute memory for a phrase I use again a football life well spent. He played at the highest level. He won important trophies, but more than that he always had a concept of what was interesting or funny in his life and he's remembered everything.

For that reason we get stories about heavy metal, hypnotherapy.

There's mention of the joy he takes in studying an Italian footballer right down the back of his Achilles.

Yes, that Terry is in there too.

We'll talk about the young Terry who was too small to see over the fence of Portman Road

and his dad brought him a milk crate to stand on. And we'll talk about Ipswich, Bobby Robson's team that played

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