Hello, this is Graham. Welcome to a classic big interview. This time we go back to season 1617.

This is what I had to say about it back then.

Hello and welcome to part one of the big interview with Ramon Calderon.

If you've not heard Ramon speak on British radio if you don't know who he is,

you're about to make a former realm of the president, but Senior Calderon is much more than that.

For the inside account of how to sign Christina Ronaldo, because it was him, not Florentino who did it,

or how Jose Antonio Reyes can make you believe in God again, or how Manchester City weren't

just the best negotiators in the world,

circa 2008. You'll have to wait for part two.

This first part is a chap with a lifelong madreista,

someone who goes back to the tail end of the club's first glorious defining era.

The era, as Ramon puts it, that establishes a legend so strong it can endure more than 30 years in the wilderness.

In terms of the competition that first

to find it that is the European Cup. Let's listen to a guy who chatted with

to Stefano, let's talk Paco Gente, one of the all-time great wingers.

Let's talk about Santiago Bernabeo, the man, not the stadium,

and how he started this whole thing.

Des Frutalo.

Enjoy it. Enjoy it. First of all, thank you for making time for us. Welcome. It's even though the big

interview is quite popular and we've spoken to I don't know Graham soon as Gary

Neville David Moy's a friend of yours. Yes.

To be welcomed into the office of a Real Madrid president

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