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Com. Hello, it is Graham. Welcome to a classic big interview. This time we go back to season 16.

This is what I had to say about it back then.

We're ready for the second half of the big interview with General Kavi Ali.

In this one we talk about when we first met after I was sent to Turin

to find out the secrets of the event decided just destroyed Rangers in the Champions League.

Luca takes us into a winning culture at the heart of that extraordinary era in Turin, then the move to Chelsea,

where he was both player and manager, all the big characters pop up in some of his brilliant anecdotes,

told with his typical articulacy character, fun, wit.

Raniare's there, DiCagno, Lippi, Ferguson.

It's part two with Luca.

Enjoy. He'd taken us to the leaving of Sampdoria. I can only say I remember the thrill of

meeting you when my editor sent me over to see why Yerventis could not just outplay

Rangers but out-mussel them and out-worked them and we weren't used to pressing

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