Okay, we are alive. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show.

I have two very special guests. One is a prior guest. His name is James Day. We've done two shows in the past. One was about his excellent book, which I recommend. God of love it is the Mad Bishops.

The Hunt for Earl, Anglin, James, and his assassin brethren.

That's a recent book.

And then we talked about also his documentary about David Ferry.

So we talked for 90 minutes that time, a really great conversation.

So I'll put links to that in the show notes. But then I'm also following James on his medium page. And he published an article titled JFK, a Rockefeller conspiracy.

And it popped up his book, but also this book that I hadn't read before hadn't seen, it's called The Clash of Dynasties,

why Governor Nelson Rockefeller killed JFK RFK and ordered the Watergate break-end to end the presidential hopes of Ted Kennedy.

And the author is Richard James De Socio, Dese, S-O-C-I-O.

And fortunately, they're both here joining me on a live show to talk about this book and their kind of research. And James

kind of going to co-host with me. So welcome to the show, both James and Richard.

Glad to be here, friend. Awesome. So for people maybe, I know that James, my audience knows James,

but maybe, James, you could do a little bio about your background,

and then we can hand it off to Richard and talk about his book, Clash and Dynasties.

Oh, it sounds good, William, and it's nice to see Richard.

This is the first time I'm meeting Richard, but I have spoken with him.

We've texted, we've emailed phone calls.

So I'm originally from Cleveland, Ohio, as Rockefeller territory, as I'm sure we'll get into.

And I've been doing the JFK research only for about a couple of years.

I did a book for Triend Day, which William mentioned called the Mad Bishops,

which kind of focused on the David Ferry angle and the New Orleans angle, and from there, a whole bunch of different connections came aboard.

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