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It is, I think, teaching our kids to be courageous in the sense that they will look different than a lot of their peers.

But oh, their time, these families said that their kids actually started to notice the differences positively.

They said, oh my goodness, like our friends who are on smartphones, they're so lame.

Like, they don't talk to us when we're in group settings.

This is your host, Scott Bertram.

Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network.

That was Claire Morel, fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center,

and also author of the brand new book, The Tech Exit,

a practical guide to freeing kids and teens from smartphones.

We go in-depth with Claire about the tech exit on today's program.

Claire also is director of the Ethics and Public Policy

Center's Technology and Human Flourishing Project. You can find more about the book at thetechexit.com.

Claire, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. As I read the tech exit, something occurs

to me. It's a lot about parents, obviously, and parent pressure.

This is a subject, though, in which parents are asked to do something that they instinctively

know could cause some harm and probably isn't all that great for their children.

Why is this issue of smartphone perhaps different than

other topics and dilemmas that parents have to deal with? Yes, I think the problem has been that

the smartphone has become such a ubiquitous part of childhood. It is trickled down from adults to now

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