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From Pushkin Industries, this is deep background, the show where we explore the stories behind

the stories in the news. I'm Noah Feldman. The coronavirus pandemic is fundamentally a public

health challenge to us right now. But as we've seen

in a series of special episodes that we've been running the last few weeks, that public health

challenge has broad interaction with a whole bunch of other serious policy issues. One is the

economy, and we've explored that in a recent episode. Another is the law

itself, specifically constitutional law, the law that governs the question of where public health

stops and your individual liberties begin. That's an issue that's only beginning to emerge as central

in our public debate around governmental

response to the coronavirus.

To talk about this issue, I had a conversation with Professor Richard Lazarus of Harvard Law School.

Richard is one of the leading Supreme Court advocates in the country.

His area of specialization is environmental and natural resources law.

And that makes him truly expert on the question of how expertise in government judgment

within government agencies interacts with the power of the federal government and the power of the courts.

He's the author of a new book, The Rule of Five, making climate history at the

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