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| 0:00.0 | I should quite. |
| 0:03.2 | You're listening to Radio Lab, the podcast from New York Public Radio, WNYC, and NPR. |
| 0:15.2 | Hey everyone, this is Radio Lab, I'm Chad Aboumra. This is the podcast. While we work on season five, which is coming, we thought we would use this podcast as an opportunity to introduce you to some interesting radio and interesting radio makers. And I have one such person in the studio with me here. Hey, Jonathan. |
| 0:31.7 | Hi, how you doing? Introduce yourself real quick. |
| 0:33.9 | My name is Jonathan Mitchell. And we're going to play a documentary that you made, |
| 0:38.5 | which is about the mall, right? Yeah. Tell me before we hear it just quickly, how you came up with |
| 0:44.3 | this idea. So I wanted to do a piece about what it was like to grow up in the Midwest. I grew up in |
| 0:49.8 | a town of about 100,000 people in the middle of Illinois. And for me, growing up in the Midwest |
| 0:56.7 | had a lot to do with the mall. The mall was built right in the middle of my childhood. It was |
| 1:02.2 | built in like 1976. And that was like my earliest experience of my city was watching this mall come |
| 1:09.1 | and totally change the character of the city. |
| 1:12.5 | How exactly? Well, that's sort of what the piece explores. So, yeah, I don't know if I want to go there. |
| 1:18.6 | Okay, we won't get into that. But tell me generally who you, there's a lot of voices that we're going to |
| 1:23.6 | hear. Just generally, who are these people these are all people that i um either knew |
| 1:28.1 | personally friends of mine family members or they were involved with um the town in some some way that |
| 1:33.4 | was relevant like there was the city historian i talked to i talked to um a man who worked for the |
| 1:38.4 | chamber of commerce there's also the owner of the what was the biggest department store in town |
| 1:43.1 | at the time the mall was built. |
| 1:44.7 | And who's the archival guy that we're going to hear from sort of early issue in the piece? |
| 1:48.8 | Yeah, that's Victor Gruen, and he's the architect who is, he's credited with inventing the idea of the mall. |
| 1:56.8 | Okay, well, let's hear it. This is CityX from producer Jonathan Mitchell here on Radio Lab. |
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