Hello and welcome to Useful Idiots.

I'm Katie Helper.

And I'm Mary Mate.

Thanks so much for being here.

Our website is Useful Idiots Podcast.com.

You know, as they say on the airlines, we appreciate you have a choice and who you fly with.

We appreciate your business.

Well, I feel the same way about content. Everyone has a podcast now. There's so much content.

Thanks for much for being here and choosing us as your content providers. This week on the show,

we have two great guests. So we have a doubleheader. We have Barry Eisler, who's a former

CIA operative turned spy novelist.

We're going to talk to him about his brand new novel, The System, and a whole lot more.

And we'll hear from Ben Cohen, the very brave founder of Ben and Jerry, co-founder of Ben and Jerry's

ice cream, who has been using his platform to speak out against all

forms of injustices, especially Israel's mass murder campaign in Gaza.

And he's also an outspoken activist on so many issues and involved with the Eisenhower

media network, which is great. So should we start with our four basic food groups, as usual?

Let's do it. What do we have for Democrats? Let's do it. So, oh, the difference a year and not working for the government

can make. People may remember Matt Miller, he got mocked a lot for his smirk. Some people call

him Count Smircula. He was one of the State Department spokespeople under Biden. And he had something

really interesting to say during a podcast on Sky News. But I think for it really to land, we have

to first watch what he had to say a year ago while he was still a spokesperson for the State

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