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Welcome to the Eric Metaxas Show. They say it's a thin line between love and hate,

but we're working every day to thicken that line, or at least to make it a double or triple line.

But now here's your line jumping host, Eric Metaxas.

I have a very special guest today. As you know, on Miracle Mondays, we try to have

someone on who believes in miracles, who's maybe experienced some miracles, whose life itself

is a miracle today. I am thrilled to have in the studio with me, all the way from Pasadena,

California, Che on AHN. How do I describe Che on? He's the founder and president of Harvest

International Ministry of Worldwide Apostolic Network of Churches in over 60 nations.

My goodness, he's also the international chancellor of Wagner University. He's received his

masters and doctorate in ministry from Fuller Theological Seminary. He's written many books.

He's been married for 40 years to his wife, Sue. They have four adult children, six grandchildren.

I think that says it all. Che on, welcome to the program. Well, thank you. What an honor to be

on your show. Listen, it's my honor to have you. I've known you for many, many years. You haven't

known of me, but I've known of your ministries. What was the one with fire in the title? I can't

remember that it was Orteen Mania or what was it? It was something you did here in New York,

like 12 or 13 years ago. Well, we did the call New York. That's what it was. The call New York.

It was the call New York, 2001. That's, you know what? 2001. Yeah, after 9-11. That is

18 years ago. Yeah, and it's interesting because initially when we came to mobilize the pastors,

actually, they were very, very rude. They said, we don't need the call to come in.

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